For children and adults too! (The left side of this diagram was my entire childhood)

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@Bonnie @joeld
One of the things that helped when I was in a similar place to you was realizing that not every Christian means the same thing when they say sin. Some mean 'opposition to God/the Bible', and some mean 'causing harm to yourself or another' and some mean something else still. Some of these definitions rely on a hell to make sense of them, some carry enough consequences in this world that hell becomes unnecessary.

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@Bonnie And so I would agree with what @Aubrianne said: "hell" is the consequence of "sin," or the absence of "salvation," and not a literal place or time. People who live "in sin" are already in "hell," and "repentance" is a turning away that results in the salve ("salvation") that brings shalom.

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@Bonnie When I was growing up fundamentalist, I understood "sin" as some kind of cosmic substance that tainted a person. Now I understand "sin" in terms of its consequences as something that disrupts health and peace, or shalom. I find it helpful, also, to remember that the root word of "salvation" is not "save," but "salve," which is to say, to bring to health. Sin and salvation are thus things that happen in the here-and-now, and not linkages to something deferred until later.

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Ok. Real deal question. For those that do not believe in a literal hell, what about sin? I’m new to the no hell conversation and I SHOULD be able to understand these two concepts together but fundamentalist upbringing is holding strong and not meeting new things through. Can someone please explain this!

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@Bonnie @shawn no sacred book, or any book for that matter, can act as a cover for someone being an asshole.

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Oh, hey Seth. Just one quick, clarifying question: what in the actual f*ck?!

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@Bonnie read, write, sing, play with my Pup, cook, walk anywhere in nature 💕

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I mean... I know it is state of the union night, and I know people have to try and “push” but what if, Just WHAT IF, we decided to watch Hook instead as a family??? “Ruuu - fi - OHHHHHH!!!”

Listening list this month. Separate from reading list. 🤓

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@Bonnie your kids want a mama to love them, and you clearly do. There are lots of moms who are “healthy “ and don’t have the time or energy to spend with their kids. That was definitely me, along with times when I was drinking or gambling (thankfully in recovery). One day at a time, friend. Your kids are gonna be fine, because mama loves them!

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@Bonnie i hear you! I see you! You are enough and you are loved!

I have high functioning OCD, depression and anxiety. Bc of this it is hard to live my daily life, it takes so much damn energy& at the end of the day, I feel like I missed out. I have two kids, 8 and 2 and I struggle HARD when people talk about how fast it goes. It feels like such a weight on me bc I already desperately want to cling to it all but can’t because of my brain chemicals. 🧠 I don’t know why I’m writing this except that I’ve never felt safe enough to say it until now, on here.

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Greater SoCal Gathering of The Liturgist Community Sat 2/9

POTLUCK DETAILS!
The church hosting us aims to be as waste free as possible, so we will be using their plates, utensils, cups, etc. We also ask that, if at all possible, you bring your potluck items in reusable containers. (We know that's not possible for all involved, but if you can, please do!) That also means we'll need people to help do dishes at the end of the day.

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Affirmations for anxiety 

I am safe.
I am loved & cared for.
Nothing I do or say can change the fact that I am inherently worthy of love.
I can lovingly accept what I am feeling without it controlling me.
I will be gentle with myself when I am feeling overwhelmed.
I am alive, breathing, and grounded to the present.
I am strong, brave, and resilient.
This feeling is not forever—it will pass.

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