My brother and I were talking two nights ago and I wanted to share the takeaway from our conversation: We're tired of pastors over emphasizing Bible reading. It often becomes the only application point in sermons. What if we emphasized love in action instead? What if we used scripture as a tool to educate us, motivate us and shape us toward living out love? But most sermons are like a friend encouraging us to read "How to go on a date" over and over and never actually... Go on a date.
@DanDrake Yes! And it would be nice if we used scripture (the bible) as a tool to emphasize love in action but we also emphasize that it’s not the only scripture. My foundation is still Christ but Buddhists Jews and others have some good things to say.
@Tonyward great point. I believe in the inspiration of scripture, but I don't think inspiration is limited to the Christian scriptures. The spirit of the Divine is the spirit of creativity itself. This is the image in which we were created. And true wisdom is universal to man. No matter which tradition it comes from.
@DanDrake @Tonyward I might even that that a bit farther and say that Jesus made no sense to me outside of his Jewish context. And the idea of God makes a whole lot more sense from the lens of Buddhism. It’s not just that there is wisdom outside of Christianity; we NEED it to keep us out of the Greco-Roman empire trap.
@Daryn @ElizabethM @DanDrake @Tonyward A wholehearted and complete yes from me on this! You are speaking the language of my heart here. In the last few years I have made a study of many different faith traditions. Reading their sacred writings and incorporating various practices alongside my walk with Jesus and it’s been utterly transformative. There’s the same light round every corner I look. It’s everywhere ☺️
@DanDrake “The spirit of the Divine is the spirit of creativity itself.” Boom! Nice!
I realized this one day listening to Elton John, whether you’re a fan or not. How the hell can he have such inspiring music when the church says he is a heathen. How can you deny the inspiration coming from him is from the spirit of Divine creativity.
@Tonyward I freaking LOVE Elton John. Exactly.
I grew up with that kind of preaching. Lots of talk, no action. They didn't even evangelize, while saying they believed in ECT... Christendom is just a weird book club for a lot of people.
A common thread I've noticed among Liturgists peeps is that we all took everything more seriously than our peers, or were more concerned for the lives of the"lost."
@DanDrake I can't find the original quote, but in the (cheesy, Christian) movie The Grace Card, one of the characters says, "Dr. King used to teach us Sunday, that was the locker room . . . But Monday through Saturday, there was the game. That's where it all took place." I don't know if King actually said that, but the sentiment has stuck with me. What if every time the team was in the locker room, the coach just repeated the rules of the game? Sometimes I feel like that's how church is.
@DanDrake my uncle is a pastor, and recently we went on a backpacking trip. As not to totally freak him out, I hid some of my more "unorthodox" ideas, but even some of my less "heretical" thoughts scared him more than I thought they would. Every time we talked about where these ideas came from, I would mention an author, or a podcast. He kept repeating go back to the bible. But my thoughts now are that my hermenutic is so messed up that I'd leave the faith if that were the case.
@PearBear @DanDrake Your hermeneutic is not messed up, friend. It’s being enriched and informed by a multitude of viewpoints, much like Scripture itself. People who exclusively push one viewpoint can’t understand that. Whether you “leave” Xtianity or not, you are on a path to a healthier and more wondrous engagement with life!
@Philexvy @PearBear Right! I've found some people that are receptive to my heresy lol, but I've had to learn to be very careful with whom I share certain thoughts. Also - I have a friend who is on a similar path, but is able to just be perfectly honest about it to everyone (something I am jealous of) because he doesn't feed his family by working at a church. A lot of the church people I talk to are "concerned" about him and ask me to "talk to him". I just tell him he's on the right track. 😂
@DanDrake I feel ya - White Church Problems
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@DanDrake This brother of yours sounds very smart. I also get the sense that he's really funny as well. I would love for you to confirm if this is true.
@ADrake Yes. He is great. And hilarious. A bit full of himself at times though. 😂
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