@mike Rachel is in Season 1 episode 4, Unity, which I will never forget as it was the first time I had heard Rachel speak. I vividly remember listening to that episode while walking around on campus, trying not to laugh and cry too much as Rachel described faith as something other than a set of categorical beliefs. That episode is probably what left the door of Christianity as a community open to me even when my beliefs no longer "belonged".

"If you can speak in tongues you can scat." - my friend Bruno

@Ricci That's probably more true than my experience reflects. Thinking back I largely focused on ethics, phenomenology, and existentialism, and I particularly avoided metaphysics and early modern philosophy. From my tangential experiences the latter are more similar to what you have described.

@Ricci classes on a single philosopher were actually my favourite (Plato, Aristotle, Heidegger), because you really got time to dig into what was flawed about their ideas, or to better understand the context of their worldview, so in that way I would agree that history is a part of the context. Too many white dudes? Absolutely. Can't disagree with that. (2/2)

@Ricci hmm. I have a degree in philosophy that I very much appreciate, and that played a very helpful role in my de- and re- construction process. Perhaps it depends what school you go to, but I rarely had a class that did not involve learning at least two opposed ideas. I learned how to navigate different ideas and interpret arguments generously (one of the most useful things I have ever learned). I can't think of a single class that idolized a philosopher or particular worldview. (1/2)

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@Ricci For what it's worth, I don't think people "got" the prophets, either.

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@Ricci but I think that noticing that lack and grieving is important. Beatrice Chestnut talks about social fours openly lamenting that lack to invite sympathy, but I think it's also an invitation to others to lament. Walter Brueggemann talks about people inviting corporate lament to change social consciousness. He calls those people prophets. Look at the prophets and tell me they don't exemplify a four's melancholy, sensitivity, perceptiveness, and soul searching.

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@Ricci I have a different name for fours, I prefer the term "Soul Excavator". I imagine someone in a cave, shouting in the dark and using the echoes to figure out where they are. In the same way fours use their relations to the world, and their acute awareness of relations and the distance between people, to project back onto themselves, using echoes to define the origin. Their perceptiveness to lack in particular might cause them to perceive that lack in the echo within themselves

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@Ricci I have struggled greatly to understand fours and fourness, I realized that I don't get fours and maybe that's okay. Hell, maybe that's the point. The Holy Idea of four is origin, trying to get back to the essence, and grasp it. So...fours are also trying to know themselves, and are in fact on the most explicit journey of trying to understand their own essence, and are more aware of their self-unknowing. Does that acute unknowing make it harder to know fours? (1/?)

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@Ricci I think what I'm saying is that I want to show love like a 2 but I don't want to be vulnerable like a 2.

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Reflecting specifically on 2s, I think we can all relate to desiring love, and the way 2s desire to invite love gives them these incredible gifts of hospitality, warmth, and presence. Outwardly, of any enneagram type these are the traits I wish I exhibited most, but the trap of not feeling loved sounds extremely painful. 2s are really incredible people, and we need to remember to remind them of that.

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@Ricci I think when you get to the core of the enneagram, so much of it for any type comes down to honest self reflection and vulnerability, which makes sense, because we're all just people. I think having a tool that can help you recognize your own defense mechanisms, and strengths and weaknesses that form from those tendencies is incredibly helpful for self-reflecting and making that vulnerability accessible.

@tommyschnabel "How can I introduce more levels of mediation into my life?" Sounds about right

@joeld It's funny, I actually remember finding it hard to relate to history in school ''real'. The people never felt like real people, more like stories. Looking back it's because I was learning about stories, not real people.

@joeld That's a problem by no means exclusive to Nixey.

@joeld @joeld yeah I was aware it didn't directly respond to her points in the podcast, but it does touch on some of her baseline arguments, primarily that Christianity was the cause of the *moral* decline of the Roman Empire. I find popular history books frustrating because they always mold the details to construct a narrative. Actual history is much more nuanced and is far worse at making clear political points applicable (and marketable) to modern readers.

@joeld so here is where I get to start plugging /r/askhistorians, which is one of the best historical resources available to us laypeople today.


A bit of looking around and it seems her ideas are neither new nor well regarded in the academic history community.

Claiming early Rome as pluralist and tolerant, until the bad Christians came into power should be a suspect line of reasoning.


@Bonnie @joeld We should care about sin because it causes pain here and now. If sin is morally culpable breaking of shalom, or creating disunity, we can think of sin in terms beyond individualism and think about it as a corporate problem as well. Participating in broken systems that support oppression of any kind can be thought of as sin. There are no cosmic consequences, but there are immediate, concrete consequences for people.

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