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So I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. I really think he has for a long time identified problems correctly and proposed genuine solutions. Its my understanding that there's a lot of push back against his candidacy from centrists, liberals, and leftists alike. The arguments for why hes not a good candidate, that ive heard are.

1. He's quite old and a second term could be a stretch
2. He's quite white and so is out of touch with the concerns of some people of color.
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3. Over the course of the 2016 campaign he became a very polarizing figure. This may make him vulnerable to trump in a general election.
4. His policy ambitions are too extreme and thus may not be realistic.
5. Some of his online supporters were real assholes.

PLEASE share your best arguments for why it isnt time for president Bernie. I wont respond or argue. Im just trying to understand bec i've found myself overly convinced he's dope.

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6. His campaign encountered some issues with sexual harrassment in 2016.

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@JacobTeasdale

good onya

1. the dude can still run to catch a subway and is only 5 years older than trump

2. has been fighting for the rights of non-whites since the 60s.

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@JacobTeasdale oh, jumped in too early on this one!

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@JacobTeasdale at the risk of whataboutism, so was Hillary’s 2008 campaign, and Biden’s got issues himself. of those three, in my opinion bernie’s had the best response, though i’m open to hearing arguments to the contrary

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@JacobTeasdale 3. i don’t necessarily agree that he’s polarizing, though he definitely has his detractors. i feel like most of the people who don’t like him either are republicans or think he split the party for 2016 (which, he campaigned for Hillary and for tons of democratic candidates in the midterms).

4. i’d rather him offer potential benefits that could change peoples lives for the better than offer incremental change that won’t help and would be easily repealed later

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@paul_e_m
Paul, nice to meet you!

I dont mean to be a cop about this, but you seem to feel the Bern. You're welcome to say whatevs obviously, its just right here im hoping to read the best arguments for why he's not the right candidate to support. I'm trying to get my feet back on the ground. Bec I get the sense i've become a fanboy.

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@JacobTeasdale sorry, just thought i’d add my voice. i think there are problems with bernie but i do think he’s the best choice for 2020. if i had to present a problem it’s mostly that his response to the Venezuela situation didn’t satisfy me. the other criticism i see a lot that you didn’t list is the tax return thing, for what it’s worth

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@JacobTeasdale He's the NE milder form of racist and sexist as hell. He has no chance of winning Democratic primaries in the South, which means he will be trounced yet again. He's toxic and acted against the interest of the nation out of his own personal pride in the last race. His policy perspectives are myopic and ignore the core issues in this nation. Racism and white supremacy are not side issues. They are our core issue.

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@JacobTeasdale I listen to black women. And I've heard everything they've had to say about Sanders.

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@JacobTeasdale If he wins them over, I'll reevaluate my assessment. But he's not even interested in trying.

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@JacobTeasdale And quite frankly, I'll only vote for yet another toxic white male if that's the only alternative to the Nazi-in-Chief that I'm offered in the general election. Hopefully it won't come to that. In the primaries, all the white men are at the bottom of my list.

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@JacobTeasdale And right now, the country is on fire with the rule of law collapsing before our eyes and an autocracy rapidly consolidating power. A career politician who has accomplished absolutely nothing meaningful in a long career beyond personally enriching himself and who refuses to even acknowledge the current situation, much less offer any useful plan to combat it, is worse than useless.

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@JacobTeasdale Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against career politicians. But there's a whole raft of them with a lengthy list of accomplishments and hefty resumes running for the Democratic nomination. Bernie is nothing but a different version of Trump, able to fire up supporters at rallies and that's about it.

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@JacobTeasdale My prediction is Sanders will do even worse in the primary this time around than he did in 2016. I know primary voters haven't forgotten the damage his ego helped inflict on this country because he couldn't handle losing to a woman.

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@JacobTeasdale I hope we have elections in 2020 and that they at least vaguely approximate free and open elections. Neither of those are even close to a foregone conclusion right now.

But we have to act as though that will happen, so I want to hear candidates' plans for when Trump refuses to vacate office after losing the election. That's will almost certainly be his next step.

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@tmorizot @JacobTeasdale Yeah I couldn't remember specific policies but I have not seen any of the BIPOC that I follow on Twitter at all excited about him and that's a red flag for sure.

When they say he is extremely weak on racial justice, I believe that and so I haven't really considered him

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@Laura_I @tmorizot
I said I wouldnt respond, but this has been really helpful. So I'm gonna make a request.

@Laura_I I don't understand that twitter thread. Forgive my ignorance. I'm afraid I'm more insensitive than Bernie on this. It seems that Bernie's failure in this thread ought to be obvious to me, but I don't understand.

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@JacobTeasdale @tmorizot

I am not the expert on this, but I'll try to explain what I know. If you use Twitter often I would suggest examining who you follow and trying to follow more Indigenous people. It has been really helpful for me in identifying issues that I had blind spots around.

Rebecca Nagle, a Cherokee two-spirit woman, is upset that Bernie labelled her criticisms of Warren's claims about Native dna as unfairly targeting Warren.

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@JacobTeasdale @tmorizot Warren's claims were problematic and her handling of the whole situation was problematic. Blood is not what makes someone Native.

I would also suggest reading some of the resources on Native writing on the subject which she includes in the thread. That's a good place to start.

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@Laura_I @tmorizot
Im embarrased...... I didnt read far enough down..... she is the author of the article he was criticizing..... my bad. I think I get it now.

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@JacobTeasdale his treatment of women has never been stellar and that just rubs me the wrong way.

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@JacobTeasdale I like Bernie. I supported Bernie in the previous Democratic primaries. But he is not a perfect candidate (none of them are). At the moment I am leaning towards supporting Kamala (though Bernie, Elizabeth, and Pete are all still on the table from my perspective. I’m waiting to see how they interact and what they emphasize as their campaigns progress).

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@JacobTeasdale My big fear is that Biden will end up clenching the nomination (hardly a foregone conclusion but a very real possibility). That would be a huge missed opportunity to enact some much needed fundamental changes to the system.

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@JacobTeasdale Honestly, from the point of view of concrete policy positions, the differences between the varying left-leaning candidates are pretty inconsequential; especially when you consider that it will all ultimately need to go through the meat grinder of congressional politics anyways (Bernie, to his credit, was very influential in setting the leftist agenda which is now consensus).

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@JacobTeasdale However, in America, for better and for worse, the President isn’t just a technocratic head of government. They are also a symbolic head of state and a ceremonial figurehead who in the collective psyche embodies the nation in their person. As such, personality and identity definitely matter.

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@JacobTeasdale Though his detractors may overstate their case at times, there is no doubt that Bernie who, like the two of us, benefits from white privilege and male privilege is not as attuned to the constant struggles and injustices faced by those who do not enjoy those privileges.

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@JacobTeasdale And even if he was 100% aware of the issues and had excellent policy proposals to address them (which is he doesn’t – he refuses to support creating a commission on reparations for example), he still would not be able to represent women of color the way Kamala could simple because of his identity. And again, in the American system that especially matters.

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@JacobTeasdale Also, as an anti-statesman sort of figure who gleefully pisses on all the ceremonial gravitas of the presidency, I’m not sure he would be the best corrective for Trump. Part of me delights in the thought of tearing down all those ceremonial constructs, but I realize that the American collective needs some mending and, yes, some decorum after the Trump calamity.

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@JacobTeasdale Also, I think age is a valid consideration. For decades now US politics have been dominated by baby boomers. It’s time for a generational passing of the baton. (Again, even if this had zero policy implications, which I don’t think is entirely true, it would still matter on a symbolic level).

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@Pondering
hahaha Bernie isnt a boomer..... He's TOO OLD..... idk why thats funny to me.

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@JacobTeasdale I mean technically you’re right. Bernie is about 5 years older than what is generally considered the boomer generation. That wasn’t exactly the core of my argument, though...

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@Pondering I'm sorry, its hard to convey levity on the internet. My response wasn't meant to dispute or undercut anything you were saying. It was just a realization i made in that moment that made me smile.

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