@mike Can you elaborate on this? Presumably you don't intend to deconstruct your views on things you firmly believe, say, the majority position on climate change or LGBTQIA+ rights. I understand your deconstruction as preparation for building up a whole new set of beliefs. Deconstruction can have an important place in one's journey, but isn't it more of a course correction than a destination?

Or am I construing something as serious that you meant only as a joke?

@RobertFrancis @mike

My point of view on this is that deconstruction is holding things up to a light and seeing what they truly are. Things like climate change and LGBTQIA+ rights stand the test of deconstruction, as do many other fundamental truths.

@Jeff @mike Thanks Jeff. It's a relief to hear acknowledgment that there are fundamental truths in a community that, as far as I can tell, is generally uncomfortable with admitting they exist even though 1)they are the subtext of everything that is talked about and 2)they give rise to careful safeguards that are enforced through social pressure, as is typical for any community.

@RobertFrancis @mike

If you listen to The Liturgist podcast you will find that there are truths. The main truth being to cause no harm to another human, or cause as little harm as possible given a circumstance. Things like denying climate change and denying fundamental rights to a group of people because they don't hold your particular belief's are obviously harming to other humans.

@Jeff @mike Well, certain things may be obvious to you that are not obvious to me, and vice-versa. To preach deconstruction of everything while reserving certain things in a protected status would be inconsistent. If one really supports deconstructing everything, there cannot be exceptions for what one personally considers fundamental truth. If on the other hand one claims some truths are universal, that is moving to a very different stance than “deconstruct everything”. 1/

@RobertFrancis @Jeff @mike Hmmm... I would just point out that deconstruction absolutely does not equal destruction. As I understand the term, deconstruction is the critical examination of a concept or phenomenon and of all the suppositions it requires.

@Pondering @Jeff @mike Good distinction. Now, since deconstructing requires examination through the lens of our own interior vision, it is never purely objective. The effect of our biased temperament and worldview was acknowledged on the epistemology episode, and thus holding forum for a diversity of views was presented as a useful means to better ascertain the truth of something. 1/3

@RobertFrancis @Pondering @Jeff I think one of the most important ideas that Michael and I have explored in the arc of the podcast is that nothing is objective involving humans, and that all human knowledge is provisional.


@mike @Pondering @Jeff Couldn't we even say that our deconstruction is largely subjective because we can only see through subjective eyes (though that's not to say deconstruction isn't useful at times)...

But then who can correct the subjective errors we make in deconstruction? Since God is the only coherent answer, and God is not easy to pin down, it seems like a divine conspiracy to keep us humble. And it prompts us to seek confirmation from human community. 1/2

@mike @Pondering @Jeff But the cultural legacy of Protestantism predisposes us to go it alone. Starved by this repression of our human nature, we often fill that need through our political affiliation instead (progressive, conservative, etc), so that politics can easily functions as religion for us, with its own orthodoxies and heresies.

I greatly appreciate the times you guys as hosts have called attention to this tendency. For me, this is an important act of deconstruction. 2/2

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