Are there any other Canadian men who have/or are interested in going to Kin? Would love to go!

@VeRtiOs I've considered it before, but still kind of sceptical. Do you know where they're holding the next one?

@VeRtiOs Yeah totally; Two things, I think: Mike’s “we get real, FAST” comment, and a fear of organized religious groups. I think it would be amazing to meet and learn from Hillary McBride. I think it’s just some 6’ishness. Ojai is probably too far for me this year, unfortunately. :/

@Baravis Thanks for sharing your hesitations! The idea of intensity could certainly make those hesitations tangible. I would not have thought this to be one the sect of "organized religious groups" however, could you speak a little more to that?
Hilary would be such an amazing teacher, I would love an opportunity to do...anything with her honestly haha
true, the distance is real barrier, I'm not sure I can swing it.

@VeRtiOs And thanks for the question! I’m no stranger to intensity, nor the subject of kin—emotion as a male in our society. I embrace that quite a bit, so part of my hesitation is: what would I gain? I think the weekend would probably look like 70% affirmation and 30% challenge.

Given my own baggage (organized religious groups) and where I’m at now, I fear it might be more than I could handle in an integrating fashion.

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@VeRtiOs I should say that I recognize that my own projection of gain from the weekend could be entirely incorrect, and even then it would be worthwhile, I think. Anyway, re: organized groups I think I fear identifying with a group that has... hm... decided to identify in a given way. It’s an alluring tendency that we have as mammals, and I’ve been a part of some incredibly toxic movements, so I’m hesitant to fall in love with a specific group. Does that answer your question?


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@Baravis HMMM. Oh yeah, I feel that deeply. I admire your thoughtfulness in where to engage, as you say, we have that tendency for sure and it takes real courage to know when and how to say no to that.
I think the part I'm having a little trouble understanding, (and speaking from my experience) is I don't sense the liturgists to be identifying of anything of a religious group, you know? I've experienced them to be creating an open unique space, and i sense...

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