@lydia @davidechavez I agree other than the feminist part. I believe a healthy masculine presence balanced with the feminine is important. I teach, and many of my students are openly LGBTQ, and they also know I'm a Christian. They feel comfortable talking with me because I don't judge them or tell them what they should do, etc. I listen more than I talk. At the same time, I have a lot of students from fatherless homes who look to me as a father figure.

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@WolfDreamer @lydia @davidechavez I invite you to reconsider the idea that feminism means “anti-masculity.” This is a much bigger conversation than that, but for now, may I suggest that being feminist means identifying with the belief that women have the same rights as men do. That’s obviously too simple a description, but I think it might be a helpful way to begin. I know the word feminist has certain negative connotations, but I’m suggesting a look beyond those associations.

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@abigail @WolfDreamer @lydia @davidechavez Great description, @abigail. It was after learning this (true) definition of feminism that I started referring to myself as one. As you said, it’s not anti-men, it’s pro-everyone, and ruthlessly so.

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@abigail @lydia @davidechavez I see what you mean, and that makes more sense. I think it was the "explicitly feminist" that threw me off. What I also didn't mention is that I have four daughters, no sons, and was raised by a single mother, so I definitely believe that women should have the same rights as men.

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@WolfDreamer @lydia @davidechavez While having daughters and respecting their mother doesn’t mean someone is automatically feminist, believing in equality does. So I’d say you can apply the word feminist to yourself, and then I hope you’d be open to more conversation about what actions to take. It’s a bit like being a Christian. Both a self-identification and some action (praxis) is involved. You’re in a great position to influence young people to think carefully about their views.

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So I wonder if the langauge used within feminism sometimes gives the wrong impression. I totally understand the concept of patriarchy and it's negativity, however I think explaining it's complexity to everyone is hard and all many hear is "being paternal is bad". Now really it is not on feminist to make it easy on everyone, but I wonder if there is less triggering terminology. Just a thought.
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@hodsonjosh @WolfDreamer @lydia @davidechavez The word “kyriarchy” is used by intersectional feminists to describe the complex ways privilege and oppression intersect.

It’s hard to have to be “nice” in order to get men to take my concerns seriously. Anger isn’t “allowed,” same as for POC, same as for those of us who have escaped religious settings. Part of being a mature person is both dealing with one’s own enotions and allowing others to have difficult emotions like anger.

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@abigail @hodsonjosh @lydia @davidechavez Anger I don't mind, as long as it's expressed and communicated in a healthy way and isn't used to dominate or intimidate. I try to teach my students and my daughters to express their frustrations without accusations, assumptions, blame or name-calling.

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@WolfDreamer @hodsonjosh @lydia @davidechavez Sure, but just because a person’s anger isn’t curated perfectly doesn’t mean it is invalid. Men use anger to intimidate and dominate all the time, yet if a woman is seen as “trying to dominate or intimidate” they condemn the entire feminist movement. As a woman, you have to fit the male ideal to be taken seriously (changes from man to man), as a POC you have to act “white,” as a former xtian you have to be still morally “pure,” and “good.”

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@abigail @hodsonjosh @lydia @davidechavez That is true, and it's also not okay. Men should also not be using anger to intimidate or dominate. Isn't that part of the deconstructing process, learning to identify our emotions and express them in the healthiest way? What is also needed is grace and understanding because we can't expect immediate compliance from those who are in a different part of their journey than we are. I think of Jesus and how patient he was with his disciples.

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I’ve got no quarrel w/ ‘feminism’ as a term. Used to, but I was in the wrong. I was tone-policing & complicit w/oppressive patriarchy. Now I try to invite women to speak up & I try to amplify their voices. Just having similar conversation on BookFace with some fmr students, regarding ‘mansplaining.’ TL;DR: I think we men earned it & we have privilege, therefore term isn’t sexist. Same reason ‘racism’ is specific to marginalized groups IMO. @WolfDreamer @abigail @hodsonjosh @lydia

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I wholeheartedly agree from a moral standpoint, I am just thinking more tactically.

I like kyriarchy, what is it's etymology?
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