So I was watching the Netflix doc on flat earthers (great doc btw). And it occurred to me that I used to think that the fact that the Christian religion started so fast was evidence of the resurrection. Like as if thousands of people wouldn’t have bought in at that time if it wasn’t real. But that’s not proof of shit. By that logic any religious supernatural claim has merit. Why not Islam? Why not Mormonism? Why not Scientology? Why not flat earth theory?
Why did I never see that before?
I think I heard Tim Keller describe in an interview that this fact was the clincher for him. He already believed, but then reading about how the early church started so fast made it sink a layer deeper to the point that he could never deny the resurrection.
The fuck? Just because lots of people belief something doesn’t make it true. Belief isn’t democratic.
Why am I only figuring this out now?
Disclaimer: I’m not denying Jesus’ bodily resurrection. Ya’ll can believe what you want to concerning that.
Just don’t use Group Think as proof of a historical claim 🙄
Seriously though, why is this only coming to me now?
It’s like I had let go of most of my old apologetic arguments, but was still holding on to this one. Like in the back of my mind, “yeah, but how do you explain the quick spread of the movement? Gotcha!”
Yep, I got me 🙄
@kbitgood I definitely had this kind of self-criticism when I started to rethink everything; I felt pretty foolish and like I should have seen. I had to give myself a ton of grace and acknowledge that it worked for me for that time, and that that's okay - it gave me a ton of peace.
@kbitgood That also allowed me to extend compassion to friends who are still where I was. It also let me heal from the sense of betrayal - I thought someone (*any*one) who taught me all this stuff should have known too, and they should have told me. But now I don't think that's how it works; it worked for them, just like it worked for me for a time. There's no malice; we're all just trying to feel safe and like we belong.
@brettdh A very good reminder. Thank you!
@kbitgood historically speaking things that move like that usually aren't the best. Lol Although for me the apostles didn't become personal to me until I started to read the apostolic father's.
@kbitgood if you don't listen to Rob Bell you should check out his series Jesus H Christ
@kbitgood I had a Mormon friend once tell me that the more he learned about his faith the more it made sense to him. I think this is the same as what you are saying, and is really no different than echo chambers created by Fox news / MSNBC / Red Sox fans / nationalists, etc. Sometimes this kind of reinforcement is useful - for example, thinking your spouse is the best spouse in the world, or your kids are amazing. Most of the time I think it is useful to recognize bias just being reinforced.
@ksmith SUPER interesting to think about how this behaviour can be an evolutionary advantage in some contexts. I like the family idea. Another could be waring armies. If there wasn't a psychological force pushing you to fight for and with your comrades then the opposing army would defeat yours.
@kbitgood I watched the flat earth documentary. Really well done and non-judgmental. I thought it really left things open for the viewer to question other deeply held beliefs to see if there were similarities to the passion of flat-earthers. Made me think any belief has the potential to be a self-licking ice cream cone like the flat-earth belief
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