Just went to my in-laws’ church for Good Friday service and I’m feeling pretty fuckin triggered right now. Way too much Penal Substitutionary Atonement for one sitting. My saving grace was using my three month old as an excuse to wait out in the foyer. I just don’t get how people can go on and on and on about God’s love AND Jesus dying in our place. Jesus died to save us from the Father? Couldn’t he just forgive us? Isn’t that what he asks us to do? Ugh. I thought I had let go of this struggle

Does anyone else relate to deconstructing penal substitutionary atonement for the BS that it is, but still finding it in every corner of the western Christian church? Do you have other ways of interpreting the cross/Good Friday?

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I thought that I was over letting this stuff get me mad. I’m usually pretty good at letting others have their beliefs without judgement. But this one just gets me. It makes God out to be a monster. But when it’s talked about people claim it’s the perfect representation of love. It’s not. It’s just not.

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@kbitgood I tooted about a podcast. Yeah. Penal substitution is BS.

@kbitgood Nonexistent hell to the yes.

I will have to come back here later and leave some detailed thoughts.

This is a big one for me, bc when I dropped penal substitution I started to situate myself outside of Christianity. I don’t think the cross has a place in my current worldview/spirituality... What interpretations have you come to?

@kbitgood Heh, my son apparently had a bit in school about Good Friday and Passover. When he was asking a lot of questions and I was answering with “well the story goes that” I could see his look of “what the?” at a lot of moments... It felt good to realize that he hasn’t already been inundated with negative messages and then I thought “damn, this was only the bullet points from the actual bible...”

Yes I can totally relate to the aversion to all the negative mssging in most church.

@sound I saw a mom explaining communion to her son who must have been 5 or 6. He had the most confused look on his face. Then I over heard, “but this is just juice.” I can only imagine what goes through a 5 year olds head when he’s being told to drink someone’s blood.

I mean communion can be beautiful, but in that context at that specific church it all felt way too morbid.

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@kbitgood There are plenty of mainstream Christian denominations and individuals that have gotten far beyond this. Even within such "suspect" (note ironic quotation marks) denominations as Roman Catholicism there are plenty of people (e.g. Richard Rohr) who have no interest/belief in "Penal Substitutionary Atonement." Many Christians have gone before where you are going now. Please, seek them out; you'll be pleasantly surprised, I hope!

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