Liturgist friends! Can anyone remember what episodes @vishnu has spoken about 4 stages of *something*. One of the stages is 'waking up'. I know it's from a book that used to be mentioned a lot but now I cannot remember it!

So if anyone can remember the episode / the 4 stages / the book, that would be great!

@mike I don't know if you'd know what I'm talking about too 🤔

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@katiem @vishnu It’s something he got from Ken Wilbur, if that helps.

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